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A Definitely True Message From George Santos

newtboy says...

Hold on there nutjob….

I 100% agree the ball was completely dropped by Dems who should have made an issue of this in Oct, knowing the right wouldn’t because they say facts and honesty are only for liberals. Had they discovered this immoral scam directly from the RNC before the election, Dems would have kept the house.

But it’s not the job of the opposition to discover the lies their opponent tells, nor their fault for not uncovering lies told by candidates and backed by their party. It’s the person who lies and those that knowingly corroborate their lies that are to blame, they are in the wrong, not the Democrats. You would blame the victim for not discovering the unbelievable crime beforehand, and accept no blame as the willing accomplice. Do you blame home invasion victims for not having security doors and bullet proof windows, armed security, and panic rooms? Oh wait….you actually do (Pelosi)

It took more than a scratch of the surface because Republican representatives and RNC officials totally knowingly supported and corroborated the lies with big grins, never saying a word despite knowing he was completely full of shit and not caring one bit they were lying to their constituents because honesty is not a righty feature, they didn’t just lie to the left, they did this to you, lying to you and making you their sucker intentionally for power. You don’t care, because it gains your team power and you like being lied to, and no amount of criminality and dishonesty is a deal breaker for you….absolutely nothing could make you upset that you belong to a terrorist anti American party of crooks and frauds, not even when they call to repeal the constitution and eliminate voting.
If Democrats perpetrated this kind of fraud you would be apoplectic, totally enraged and calling for another insurrection, but they never have and never would because their constituents care about honesty, facts, and ethics unlike the right.

You love to “both sides” every time your side gets caught pulling fraud after fraud after fraud after fraud after fraud after fraud after fraud after fraud after fraud, but you NEVER come up with examples of anything close to the scope and immorality of the Republicans. I show you a dozen concerted efforts by campaigns and elected officials to defraud elections on massive, 10000 votes and more scale, you come back with one woman who cast a single provisional ballot in Texas after officials cleared her to vote and say “both sides”.

Democrats aren’t perfect, but 98% of corruption, fraud, outright lies, self dealing, etc is on the Republican side, and 100% of yes to big money in politics, 100% of domestic terrorism, 100% of anti democracy sentiment, 100% of child sex abuse, 100% of calls to rescind the constitution is on the right. Or as you say….both sides.

bobknight33 said:

Hold on there nutboy

Where were the Dems opo research?
A mild scratch of the surface and all this would come out.

That being said he should be kicked out. But Rep's will not do such a thing because they need him to hold the majority.

Sad to see that our government is so corrupt and standards so low. This is on both sides.

Progressive Dems To Clinton: This Race isn't Over

newtboy says...

I say that it's impossible to say that Trump is much worse or more evil....but you can make the assertion that his STATED PLANS are much worse than her STATED PLANS. It's important to note, however, that neither of them are at all likely to stick with anything they've said so far. Trump has already come out and said to ignore the entire primary season, it was all bluster and hyperbole to get him the nomination, and Clinton has a clear history of changing her position at the slightest breeze. Now we get a second season of different bluster and hyperbole (from both sides) to try for the presidency. Only once they're in office will we have any idea what they really plan on doing with their power. Neither Trump or Clinton have a record of consistency, so comparing them is impossible until after the fact.

The reason you don't see other candidates is that the primaries aren't over. Only the Democrats and Republicans play this game of 'the race is over...don't go vote, it won't matter' before the vote is over, even mathematically (which it still is not, BTW, contrary to your assertion. It is POSSIBLE, however unlikely, that Sanders could win despite the super delegates being in Clinton's pockets and the fix being in by the DNC, with only California's delegates, but they've duped you like millions of others into thinking it's been over for months now, and Clinton is our only remaining choice, and supporting Sanders now is like a vote for Trump, which is outrageously insulting BS).
Because Sanders has ALWAYS polled better than Clinton against Trump, if it's really a fear of yours that we might elect Trump, you should all be shouting at everyone possible to vote for Sanders on June 7th (EDIT: and warn them to not allow the poll workers to give them a provisional ballot which aren't counted, but insist on a democratic crossover ballot which will be). Clinton VS Trump is at best a toss up at this point (and she's not even indicted yet), Sanders VS Trump is consistently a landslide for Sanders. Just DUH, people. It's like...come on.

ChaosEngine said:

@newtboy and @ForgedReality
First up, I'm not saying I like Hillary, but let's be real here; Trump is much, much worse.

Hillary's a liar and a felon (citation needed, btw)?
Trump wants to bring back torture, to close the country to Muslims and deliberately bomb people's families. Yeah, he might not get to do any of that, but the fact that he WANTS to is fucking terrifying.
So, yes, she's undoubtedly the lesser of two evils.

As for voting for someone other than Hillary or Trump, as far as I'm aware, right now, there aren't any other candidates announced (assuming Hillary gets the Dem nomination, which she will, as I already explained because numbers).

A quick google doesn't show any other third party candidates (although it did reveal that Roseanne Barr once ran!) for this year. Bernie has said nothing about running as an independent, so right now your options are almost certainly Trump or Clinton.

But let's say for the sake of argument that Hillary gets the dem nod and Bernie decides to run as an independent.

Now in a sane political system, I would absolutely advocate voting for your favourite candidate, but the US election system is so fundamentally broken that voting for Bernie would hand Trump the election. That's the reality.

@Baristan
"Voting your conscience and losing to Trump is far better!!! Eventually a third party can form and whittle away at the two sided party. "

No, that doesn't happen. *related=http://videosift.com/video/The-Problems-with-First-Past-the-Post-Voting-Explained

A third party rises up, splits the vote of it's nearest rival and then disappears over the next couple of election cycles.

Your voice is already inconsequential. The US badly needs election reform.

It SUCKS, and by FSM, I really hope I'm wrong. Maybe Bernie will somehow snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, but it's just really unlikely.

But above all, you cannot elect Trump. If you really think he wouldn't be worse than Hillary, then I'm sorry, but you're fucking delusional.

Look, I REALLY wanted Bernie to win. I even checked if there was some way I could donate to his campaign as a non-US citizen. But it didn't happen. You (plural, US voters, especially democrats) had your chance and y'all done fucked it up and now you have to live with the choices you've made.

California Election Fraud-NPP Voters Get Provisional Ballot

newtboy says...

OK...first, keep in mind this is the PRIMARY, not the election. Rules are designed by the individual parties.
In CA, for Democrats, it's an open primary, meaning Democrats and non affiliated voters may vote in the Democratic primary. Many primaries are closed, meaning only people registered in the specific party may vote in it's primary...I think the Republicans do that in Ca.
In many cases, if there's a question about someone being allowed to vote in a primary, usually in closed primaries, like all the people that had registered Democrat but had been re-registered as Republican or Independent in NY were still allowed to vote, but only on 'provisional' ballots. In this way, they fulfil the legal requirements of allowing them to vote, but still find a way to never count that vote, skewing the results...in this election skewing them for Clinton in every case, independents are not voting for her.
Provisional ballots exist so they can 1)have a way to allow people to vote when there's a question about them being 'properly registered', fulfilling their legal obligation and 2)so they can discard those votes if they wish. It is insane to me that they only have to allow the voter to vote, but are not required to ever COUNT that vote....a vote isn't a vote unless it's counted.

Yes, our system is totally broken. It was already seriously damaged, then electronic voting and Citizens United happened and the entire system is now an untrustworthy cash and carry commercial system paid for and controlled by <40 people.
At least that's how I understand it.

Sagemind said:

Can someone explain this to us?

In Canada we walk up, are handed a paper ballot, we go behind a cardboard screen, strike an X in the preferred vote box with a pencil, pass it back to the person running the table, who puts it into the Ballot box in front of us, and then we walk out.

If I'm understanding what she's saying, you need to register how you're going to vote before you vote??
-Why would people be given different Ballot sheets to vote on? -Why do you need to be registered with one party or another to get to vote?
-Why would people who are not registered with a party, get a completely different type of voter sheet?
-Why would A Provisional Ballot exist?
-Why would Provisional Ballots never get counted?

None of this makes sense to me.
WTH is going on with US Democracy system? - which seems to be the least democratic system I've ever seen.

Answers...?

California Election Fraud-NPP Voters Get Provisional Ballot

Sagemind says...

Can someone explain this to us?

In Canada we walk up, are handed a paper ballot, we go behind a cardboard screen, strike an X in the preferred vote box with a pencil, pass it back to the person running the table, who puts it into the Ballot box in front of us, and then we walk out.

If I'm understanding what she's saying, you need to register how you're going to vote before you vote??
-Why would people be given different Ballot sheets to vote on? -Why do you need to be registered with one party or another to get to vote?
-Why would people who are not registered with a party, get a completely different type of voter sheet?
-Why would A Provisional Ballot exist?
-Why would Provisional Ballots never get counted?

None of this makes sense to me.
WTH is going on with US Democracy system? - which seems to be the least democratic system I've ever seen.

Answers...?

Christian Dishonesty On Prop h8 Exposed

Nebosuke says...

So far, "with 99.5% of precincts reporting the vote was 52.5% in favor of Proposition 8 and 47.5% against; as many as 3 million absentee and provisional ballots remain to be counted."

It's so screwy that one of the most liberal states will now ban gay marriage.

What to Look for on Election Night (Election Talk Post)

joedirt says...

Everyone is assuming that polling matter. It does not matter. They have SOOOO many excuses this year of why the polling was wrong. Racism, Bradley effect, disgruntled Hillary supporters, Syrian attacks... etc.

You have to consider that Rove and his posse are targeting a few states, just like they did in FL00 and OH04. You'd have to be crazy to not realize they padded their vote in FL00 (bad punchcard stock, voter purges, etc) and OH04 (multiple methods like voting machine allocations, provisional ballots, punchcard rotation, DHS fake alerts, stickered ballots).

They will apply many of these techniques in places like PA, maybe CO, etc.

Here is what the election night map will look like just so you aren't surprised:
http://tinyurl.com/6alna7

And anyone who points to polling doesn't know what happened in Ohio and isn't paying attention to the HUGE lines that will be in PA and touchscreen counties in OH and just about every state on election day.

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